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Disney Takes Muppet Script Through Pixar

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well, I do have that utter contempt and pure loathing for a lot of the stuff out there cloaked as "children's entertainment".

    I feel sick to my stomach when I see trailers for crap like the upcoming Smurfs, Yogi Bear movie, or the Garfield and Alvin movies. And unlike the Smurfs which I always felt was garbage, I have always been a huge Garfield fan(just in drawn or 2d animated form)
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I want an adult muppet movie. I want an edgy Muppet movie.
    But when I say adult and edgy, I mean that in how I feel Up is the greatest thing Pixar has ever done. Or how 20 years after you saw a kid's movie/cartoon it hits you with how much nuanced hidden layers of socio political subtexts had been put into it. A special kind of movie that works on dual levels, with sophisticated undertones and super sharp progressive writing. I see shades of that with some of the Muppets.com stuff.

    I have my religion down as "Potatoism" on my Facebook page

    Or seek out 75-76 SNL Land of Gorch skits.
  3. Mupp

    Mupp Member

    I thought that it was a great movie. :)
  4. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    I'll ditto that! Best movie I've seen all year--probably since Up!
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The problem is we need a new word for OUR edgy that means clever, sharply written, sneaky little references that say something... because Hollywood edgy is Scary Movie. Basically shoehorning as many at the moment pop culture references without any thought or humor into a thin plot as possible. That's why a good number of kid's movies look like... well... everything you mentioned. Second frikkin Chipmunks movie was just about a commercial for Meerkat Manor. :mad:

    But I think we're gonna get OUR definition of edgy with the guys who are writing this. After all, their movies and TV projects are very sharp, have very deep context that's deceivingly well hidden. I mean, I saw Get him to The Greek a couple months ago, and it wasn't just a raucous frat boy comedy, it had some VERY snarky backhands at the music industry and musicians that think they're better than they really are because they pretend to care about charity for their PR. And the ending? Very deep.

    I've said it before... the script is in good hands. Just don't let any Simpsons writers get their hands on it like last time. :insatiable:
  6. ZeppoAndFriends

    ZeppoAndFriends Well-Known Member

    Give me a minute, I'm good at making up words. :busy:

    I've got it! 'Godgy'! Short for 'good edgy'! Or maybe 'Cledgy', short for 'clever edgy'! Or how about 'Swedgy', short for 'sharply written edgy'?

    ...Maybe not. :o

    I'm usually so good at this.
  7. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Really? Surely not! I've never detected that in any of your previous posts ever! *ahem*

    Bea:zany:{Still alive in some other universe somewhere}regard
  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    You just pretty much nailed why I can't sit through Very Muppet Christmas in its entirety, due to being jam packed with un-necessary of the moment tv/film references(which date it pretty quickly) I definitely have faith with the Apatow gang, especially given they have both veteran Muppet writers, Disney's muscle and now even Pixar's brain trust in the mix. I have a feeling this will be a very special little film. One could say, when cameras begin rolling this fall, that the real new era of the Muppets will have truly begun.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's not even just the references that make the film dated (was their any call for the Crock hunter bit?) but that sort of humor is very dated. I swear that was some of the influence of the Simpsons writer(s) that were on the project. But that kind of thing was very early 00's, going back as far as the late 90's. Now, it's not only NOT funny, it's very tired. VMX was unfortunately the product of it being from 2002 or so, and subject to 2002 humor.

    And I was so thrilled that they stopped making those kinds of ugly parody movies, then I saw the trailer for "Vampires Suck." You know what's worse than a sappy, melodramatic, dime paper back romance novel movie with vampires? A crappy PARODY of a sappy, melodramatic, dime paper back romance novel movie with vampires that makes references to every single thing that's right now.

    :o <---- puking in hat.
  10. ZeppoAndFriends

    ZeppoAndFriends Well-Known Member

    I like to think that the GOOD parts of VMX were the work of Jim Lewis and the BAD parts (like that bit with the violent Whos which makes me uncomfortable) were the sole fault of Tom Martin.

    I'm probably not 100% right, but that thought helped me get to sleep that night. :smirk:
  11. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    To me, it was only slightly parodying the Whos of the Jim Carrey version, as those people weren't exactly nice and saintly in that movie. They were outright cruel and vindictive, especially to the Grinch. So, any complaints about how the Whos were should complain to the source material. :)

    I'm not going to complain too much about VMX and dated jokes. Just a casual run-through of the Muppet Show reveal lots of episodes where not only do I not have the slightest clue who those people are, but I never get around to caring, either. There ARE good timeless Muppet moments in the classic age, but there are just as many "you had to be there" moments too.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I see what you mean. But I still say it was a sign of the times. People weren't sick to death of said flat parody movies yet, and they were loving their Will and Grace (which was pop culture reference fest). The problem is when humor changes, it's painfully obvious. Now we're absolutely in love with awkward pauses. By "we" I speak generally. I hate awkward pause commercials SOOO much, but you all of course know that by now.

    To me, the gags that work best are the ones that make fun of Christmas specials. Not just because a lot of them were timeless (Sam the Snowman parody for example), but it is a Christmas special after all. The only bits that really fall flat as far as I'm concerned are the Crock Hunter and the constant reminder that NBC has a new line up. Whoopi was in the movie to cross promote her show, which was long gone by the time this aired. And the Scrubs one smacked of no knowledge of the series whatsoever. But the Moulin Scrooge number, the Snowman, the reference to gift of the Magi... that stuff worked. The movie outside of that was pretty well written, and they even referenced the first movie with a Doc Hopper fast food counter. Even then, with the jokes it worked on a movie as a whole.

    Again, Oz did the same exact thing, only a worse job doing it. Was their ANY reason Kelly Osborne had to be in there?
  13. Mupp

    Mupp Member

    If its any consolation, her cameo didn't appear in the televised version of the movie. But I do know what you mean.


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