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Arthur - Where is the Show Going?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, I dunno about you, but I SWEAR that my local PBS, the very SAME one that produces the show, mind you, wants to bump Arthur the heck off their channel by giving it odd airing times. Now the latest airing is 11:30. Really. I still don't understand the full hour of Curious George at 3:00 when the second half hour is a rerun of the previous day's episode.
  2. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I never understood why they re-run the previous days episode at some set time. I mean, is it really necessary?
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If it's at LEAST a couple hours in between, I don't mind. But these are 2 shows in a row, and only the 3:00 episode is new that day, while they rerun it the next. I really don't understand why Arthur or the new Cat in the Hat series can't have the 3:30 time slot, and the Curious George rerun can't be at 2:00. or better yet, move that horrid Super Why to the 11:30 slot (it's for younger, Preschool kids anyway) and keep Arthur at 2 or 2:30.

    It's just not a very good sign. Again, this IS the same station that produces the show... and while they also produce Geroge (and possibly Cat in the Hat... I have to check when I see an episode later). But it doesn't bode well for the future of the show.

    That said, I get a local PBS kids digital channel. And even THEN they could put Arthur on at a decent Kindergarten- 2nd Grade afterschool time slot at 3:00 on that channel, but they would rather have an hour of some 1990's dry as toast Crafts show... even though it would fit BETTER on Create. And after 5, the programs aren't all that kid friendly... older teen maybe... but NO ONE wants to watch Antiques Roadshow under the age of 40.
  4. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I watch Antiques Roadshow when theres nothing else on XD

    But yeah I get your point. I was not aware there was a new Cat in the Hat show. Honestly though, I think its about time they stop making new episodes of Arthur and just show re-runs. Kinda like how I feel about the Simpsons. Both shows are great, but they have been on for so long that basically anything they can writ about has already been done and nothing is new anymore
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's the rub, though. They ARE planning more episodes, at least one or two more seasons. But if this is the treatment that their own production company station (am I driving that point in hard enough?), I think they should either find a healthier time slot, OR just end it after next season. Clifford has been in solid reruns since they stopped production, due to John Ritter's death. Even after the rebranding of Clifford's Puppy Days, they still reran the original... now they ONLY air the original. Arthur could stand to be in reruns only.

    That said, The Cat in the Hat knows a Lot about That. That's the show. I've only seen a 11 minute segment and the closing. it looks pretty good, Martin Short gives it his all as the Cat. Definitely for a slightly younger audience than Arthur, and I'm not crazy about flat flash looking (they use a variety of programs, so it isn't usually completely flash) computer animated shows... and I really haven't seen enough of Wubbulous World to judge the shows together. Plus, the series is based on a short lived and not all that popular line of educational books made a couple years after Dr. Seuss's death with drawings aping his style, and not the original Dr. Seuss works, and I doubt we'll see any of his other famous friends.

    Still better than Seussical and a million times better than that Cat in the Hat movie.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Arthur comes on at 4:00 in the afternoon on my PBS station... not only that, but it's currently on VOD as well.
  7. beakerfan76

    beakerfan76 Member

    Having loved this show and watched it up to this point since it's premiere, I feel I should give my 2 cents on the matter.

    Personally, Arthur is kinda like PBS' answer to The Simpsons, with the running out of ideas and whatnot. Plus the tolerance angle has gotten out of control.

    Just put this into perspective: When the show began, all the main characters were pretty much your garden variety kid show kids, with the exception of Muffy, who had a Miss Piggy complex since day one. Now, they decide to make Buster's parents have a divorce, giving way to a interesting yet cheaply done spin-off, turn Francine Jewish, despite the fact she celebrated Christmas in an earlier episode, giving Binky a peanut allergy and a Chinese sister, not to mention the now obligatory Hispanic characters to shoehorn some Spanish into the show, and the most recent, giving MacGrady cancer.

    I'm all for acceptance and such (That was one of the main themes of Fraggle Rock and Sesame Street, wasn't it?), but having EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER some different form of nationality or have some disability kinda disgusts me, seeing as the original seasons didn't make it an acceptathon.

    As for plots, I can see them recycling plot ideas, but changing out certain variables to where it seems different (Like an episode with an embarrassing secret like wetting the bed or failing Kindergarten). Plus they hit some issues other kid shows would never touch (The Bleep episode, though to be fair, Tiny Toons did an episode about bleeps, but it was for one guy to get a girl, not so much stop cursing for his own good, but I digress)
  8. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    I'm in Australia and we're getting reruns every day at 3pm and 7:30am; but I own the last three seasons anyway. I enjoy the pop culture references and jokes aimed above the target audience, but I don't think they should stop producing the show. Although a lot of territory has been covered regarding issues untouched by other childrens programmes, there are surely still more issues/ideas yet to be explored. I find a good case point for this is the episode where George meets Carl. The idea of presenting an issue such as Asperger's Syndrome is putting not only the syndrome at hand into the spotlight but dealing with the idea of autistic spectrum disorders, an idea that is present but so far left untouched by childrens television programming is a smart step in my opinion for the show; as it highlights an occurence that may just happen in day to day life for the intended responder.

    Oh man, my fingers are tired after that one.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    That's the problem with a show like Arthur. Sometimes they need vehicles to actually teach things. Let it be known, though, it was their every intention to have Buster's parents divorced to begin with, as they never showed the father. Some of the other stuff I don't really care for. The episode where Brain had to be held back because he couldn't emotionally carry on with first grade annoyed me. And using Jenna to talk about bed wetting was... well, I never liked Jenna in the first place. She's such a useless character with an ugly design.

    I think when they actually ADD characters like Marina and Carl, characters with disabilities, rather than giving them to characters is great. I agree, more kids need to know about stuff like Asperger's, and they explained it wonderfully.

    Now, we have to also remember, PBS can give shows longevity that no where else can. Do you think Sesame Street would have lasted 41 years if it was a kid's show in syndication? No. Maybe 5 years of 13 episode seasons at best. Unless it was always reinventing itself like Scooby-Doo did. Maybe then. Mr. Rogers, Reading Rainbow, and stuff like that enjoyed long runs on PBS. Unfortunately so didn't Barney and Tellitubbies, even though their pop fizzled out within years after their initial popularity. Again, Clifford still is in reruns, even though it stopped production about 2002. Even if they stopped producing Arthur, it would still be on TV for quite some time.

    That said, my local PBS (again, stressing these are the people behind the show) stopped running Postcards from Buster, probably before any of the other PBS's did (controversial episodes aside)... even though the show was still apparently in production. Can't say I blame them. It wasn't all that exciting or interesting half the time. Oddly enough, Cookie Jar is going to release the show... the ENTIRE show in one set, all for just 15 bucks. And a 10 episode season of Arthur costs over 50 bucks. And they only have a couple newer seasons.
  10. crazed gonzo fa

    crazed gonzo fa Active Member

    On the subject of Buster's parent's divorce, weren't they seperated long before Postcards from Buster?
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well well well before. They never showed his father at the beginning of the show. I think they planned on having them divorced all along. And frankly, that's where Sesame Street screwed up, as far as the Snuffy thing was involved. Of course, then there was his baby sister (which they don't even show anymore), and they couldn't have easily said "Oh yeah, he left when the baby was born." If they basically said "Gee Snuffy, I never seen your father before." and Snuffy used that to talk about divorce, it wouldn't have been such a problem.
  12. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Season 14 has started airing here in Australia, and on the title of the thread might I say that the writing is brilliant. Already a continuous in joke has been established AND the sheer hilarity of the pop culture insertions makes for exceptional entertainment. To the people working on the show, I saw keep up the excellent work.
  13. APRena

    APRena New Member

    Neil Gaiman (as a cat)! Definitely looking forward to this.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I have to say, I really dislike my local station not giving this an after school slot like it desperately needs. I really don't get why Super Why gets the nice 2:30 slot. Though, I really think Arthur NEEDS to be with the other PBS Go shows (Cyberchase, Word Girl, etc.)

    And I really dislike them giving the slot they forced it on last year (2:00) to Cat in the Hat knows a Lot About That. It's definitely for a much younger crowd. I really want to like the show, Martin Short keeps the Cat as exuberant as he should be. But it's very repetitive, they sing the same exact song (with one line of different lyrics) twice an episode, and the kids have no personality. Plus, the fixed poses in the 2-D computer animation really have no variety and make it look obvious that things were recycled over and over. And they even recycle whole scenes. Talk about cheap. Not a bad show, but it really needs work.
  15. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    So far season 14 has concentrated a lot, and I mean a LOT on Arthur, Buster and Binky as main characters.
    This is 5 episodes in, and so far George has only been used as a fall guy; not as a "full on" character has he was last season. There have been a few storylines that seem a little recycled, but the whole show has been "modernised" from how it was 10 years ago. A lot of "digital era" stuff which seems slightly out of place within the continuity of the season. Plenty of clever satire writing and self referential humour, I adore whoever is putting all of that in. It may be just me, but it seems almost as if the animation quality has slipped just a little bit; especially with faces. The lack of lines from characters that aren't Arthur's immediate friends or The Tough Customers is very different. Fern has only had one line so far, and an out of character one at that.

    From here I think I can safely say it's turning out to be a mixed batch of a season. I am quite intrigued by the titles on IMDB of some of the episodes yet to air, and look foward to them on the premise of title alone.
  16. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Episode 7 aired today. It's corrected most of the issues I had with the first 5; though Muffy seems to have a big role in almost every episodes plot. Though I regret to announce this, but it seems that the voice actor for Sue Ellen has changed and it isn't for the better. I feel disappointed on that front.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's a tough one... on one hand, at least we're not dealing with characters like Jenna or some other background personality that all the sudden comes to light because they have something wrong with them. Somehow, I find it tedious. When it happened with George, at least George was likable. Like I really cared about Jenna and her human nose (Binky's the only one who can pull that look off). But it does sound like a lack of variety. I had a great fear that Lydia Fox would be the center of the show now, and shoehorned into every single plot line. Good to hear that isn't true (I have to wait until Monday for it to start).

    That said, how was Lydia's character. Did she actually do something and have a personality, or did she basically do the whole, "I may be different, but I'm just as good as you because I can do thing better than you" bit? I've seen the latter too many times. I'm sure if I was in that situation, I'd feel offended that they can't come up with better character traits than that. Sigh... why can't people take a lesson from Garret from Extreme Ghostbusters?
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  18. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Active Member

    I'm a little surprised this show is even still on. I mean, I'm 23, and my kid brothers were watching this when I was 12!

    One thing I'm wondering since I haven't seen an episode in years: do they still have that awesome Ziggy Marley theme song?
  19. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Lydia hasn't actually been introduced yet. The issue with George's character I think was one writer's doing, as it's been rectified to a character, not a fall guy as of now. There has been a brilliant plotline around a relatively minor character and there has been 2 Fern-centric plots, that's all fine. I hadn't even heard of Lydia until today, as I'm in Australia and the competition wasn't run or advertised. The order of episodes in Australia is in the order they're listed on IMDB though; according to Wikipedia Lydia is in the first episode of the PBS running order.
  20. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Here we go - my thoughts on Lydia.
    As far as the character design goes, it was well done, somewhat distant from the original competetion winner though. The episode aired today, and it seems to be that she may become a one off, or a sparingly used recurring character. She is in a nutshell, a female counterpart to Brain, but the fact she was born without use of her legs (as said by Lydia in the show) is close to not mentioned. The whole disability cliche doesn't really happen. I've seen 12 episodes of the season now, and only one has had Lydia in it, so she hasn't been jammed into every episode. Issues such as wheelchair accessibility are brought up, which is a reasonably nice change from the cliche. I don't know if I would like to see her become a show regular, I think she works much better as just being in one or two episodes.

    On a different note, the fire chief finally has a name - Betsy. That one has been a long time coming.


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